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Sep 09
2011

No guts, no glory..right?!?!

Posted by: adoerr in MyBlog

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adoerr
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Well, I've done it. After finding out this morning that my NYS Pistol License has been re-assigned to a different Judge, I carefully composed a letter asking that my license be converted to an unrestricted (CCW) license.

I'm 90% sure I'll be denied because in my county, you need to "prove need." I don't happen to have a "need" just a "want" and a right as a US citizen.  (Which don't really seem to matter around here..)

Sooooo..I'll sit on pins and needles until I hear back from him. He can't be any less 2A friendly than my issuing judge. I figure, all he can do is deny me, then I'm right back to where I am today. BUT, in the off chance he goes ahead with it, it will be a major victory.

We'll see. I'm not hopeful that I'll get my CCW granted, but no guts, no glory, right? Isn't it funny how we live in the same country, but have different rights?

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Ralph Rotten

your comment title here

September 09, 2011
Is there a special consideration for business owners? I'm just counting my blessings that I live in a shall issue state..
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adoerr

Yes, if you carry large amounts of cash..

September 12, 2011
Sometimes there is, if you can prove you carry large amounts of cash. I am a business owner, but I don't carry large amounts of cash. They would actually want bank records for that case..
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Rod

Need for self preservation.

September 09, 2011
Best of luck and keep us updated. You absolutely have a need. You have yourself and a family you NEED to protect. Take them some newspaper clippings of the criminal activity involving an unarmed victim on any given day in New York. Let them know you choose not to be described as the "victim" in one of those reports.
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adoerr

Read this as far as "need" goes..

September 12, 2011
Cut and pasted from here: Note, I don't live in Suffolk County, but the process is the same. http://www.co.suffolk.ny.us/Police/Pistol_ License_ Handbook-020505.pdf
(6) CARRY – Full Carry License, for the purpose of self protection. If you are seeking a SELF
PROTECTION class six (6) license, you will be required to show “proper cause” pursuant to Penal Law
Section 400.00 Sub. 2 (f). “Proper cause” is determined by a review of all relevant information bearing
on your claimed need. You must show that you are exposed to extraordinary personal danger,
documented by proof of recurrent threats to life or safety, requiring authorization to carry a firearm.
These factors are not all inclusive, and the Police Commissioner will consider other proof, including
Suffolk County Police Department records. It should be noted, however, the mere fact that you have
been the victim of a crime or reside or are employed in a “high crime area” does not establish “proper
cause” for the issuance of a self protection license.
If a class six (6) license is approved, the Suffolk County Police Pistol Licensing Bureau may withdraw
that classification at any time if it finds proper cause no longer exists. Proper cause will have to be
demonstrated by you each time the license is renewed. If proper cause is no longer proven, the license
will be changed to a different class.
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Rod

Ridiculous!

September 13, 2011
That is absolutely ridiculous and somebody really needs to challenge the constitutionality of laws like these that make people have to basically PROVE an extraordinary need to exercise a constitutional right!

lol then they have the nerve to call it a "self protection license".
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impartial_observer

NRA-ILA?

September 12, 2011
have you thought to contact the NRA-ILA to see if they could help? this seems like the same kind of nonsense that was struck down in the SCOTUS decision on District of Columbia vs Heller.
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adoerr

2AF

September 12, 2011
The Second Amendment Foundation is currently suing Westchester County (my neighboring county). Here's their press release which sums up my area:
http://saf.org/viewpr-new.asp?id=331

If I'm denied, I will likely reach out to them, as well as NRA-ILA, but this isn't news to either organization.
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Rod

This is why I joined SAF

September 13, 2011
I love the Second amendment foundation!
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Revman

your comment title here

November 05, 2011
good people
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impartial_observer

go get 'em!

September 12, 2011
sure seems like that case will clear the way for you. if nothing else, you could get a copy of the filed lawsuit and attach it to your application. assets/smilies/wink.gif
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adoerr

Not that easy..

September 12, 2011
Not that easy I_O, read on..this was released on 09-08-11. From the lawsuit I was telling you about above:
http://www.factoverfiction.com/article/3596
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adoerr

I wish..

September 11, 2011
I wish it worked that way around here Rod, sadly, it does not.
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PatriotPapa

your comment title here

September 09, 2011
Sad to know folks have to prove a need to exercise their 2nd Amendment Rights... Something wrong here... Best of luck - Hey, move to a Shall issue state...
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impartial_observer

good luck!

September 09, 2011
funny, but not in the "ha ha" kinda way. more like its funny that people thought Obmama would be different as president than he was as a socialist, gun-hating senator.

good luck on your application! is there any limit to how often you can apply if your app is rejected?
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adoerr

your comment title here

September 11, 2011
I don't think there's a limit. I'm kind of liking the idea of just keep sending him letters asking once I'm denied. Maybe I'll wear him down..you never know..
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